true promo record ?

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true promo record ?

Post by Lsciom » Sat Aug 16, 2014 3:01 am

Question, going over some vinyl recently purchased, few stamped promo on jacket upper left rear. The label itself is free of any promo markings, is this a true promo lp ?

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RE: true promo record ?

Post by anthonyvp » Sat Aug 16, 2014 3:32 am

Designated promotional record. I have many of the stamped records. white or off color label with promotional statement usually true promo records.

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Post by Lsciom » Sat Aug 16, 2014 2:17 pm

Thank you.

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Post by webkrawlerr » Fri Oct 31, 2014 6:25 am

To be clear, here is the difference.

A TRUE promotional record is one that was labeled as such and used for those purposes.

A DESIGNATED promotional is no different than the stock version except for a promotional stamp or sticker.
Some people would stamp a stock record "promotional" and try to pass it off as a true promotional record.

Record collectors do not consider stock pressings or releases with merely a "promotional" stamp or sticker
as a real promo.

I do, however, have once exception to this rule in my collection, although some agree with me and others do not.

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I don't have images of the picture sleeves which is where the importance is.
This was a numbered release of I think 2000 records. Not really valuable. About $7 to $10 for NM give or take.
One of the sleeves has NUMBER: 1201. On the PROMO one, it says NUMBER: PROMO
I have checked and rechecked and I do not believe the sleeve has been modified or changed in anyway.
Since, 2000 were released commercially (stock copies) and my promo has no number on it
(meaning it was never meant to be a stock copy) I consider this a TRUE promo. Take it as you may.

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Post by annaloog » Fri Oct 31, 2014 11:55 am

webkrawlerr wrote:... A DESIGNATED promotional is no different than the stock version except for a promotional stamp or sticker.
Some people would stamp a stock record "promotional" and try to pass it off as a true promotional record....
Depends on your definition of "true". Stock copies rubber stamped "PROMOTIONAL" or "DEMONSTRATION", and those with covers printed in gold ink, were certainly considered by the record companies to be promotional copies, not to be sold, and thus not eligible for royalty payments to the artist.

The distinction between 'real' promotional copies and designate promos is only in the eye of the collector.

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Post by webkrawlerr » Sun Nov 02, 2014 1:48 am

[The distinction between 'real' promotional copies and designate promos is only in the eye of the collector]

This is of course, very true as with most things.

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Post by anthonyvp » Mon Nov 03, 2014 4:18 am

IMHO...NOPE ! Must be printed on the label. ALL other prrinted stamps or sickers are able to be added at anytime. Would you like me to turn all your reccids to a "promo" ? No problem.

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Post by vinyl1 » Mon Nov 03, 2014 9:38 pm

So where does this leave WEA Quiex II promos? They are stickered promos and the label is no different from a stock copy. However, the record itself comes from a special and superior mastering, and the vinyl is different from the stock copy.

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Post by KentT » Sat Nov 15, 2014 2:16 pm

The Quiex II discs while designate promos, have enough difference to be valued at a premium over a stock copy. So, they are one of the few exceptions.

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Post by webkrawlerr » Sun Nov 16, 2014 8:16 am

I can tell you in Discogs, only records that are MARKED/PRINTED as promos from the factory are allowed to be listed as promos. Anything that has just a rubber stamp or sticker that says "promo" is not considered an actual promo.

I agree with this.

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