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Post by metrognome » Mon Sep 26, 2005 1:32 pm

Last night I was looking at some of my Atlantic records and I realized that the catalog numbers were not always in order. For example, my copy of King crimson's Larks' Tongues in Aspic has a catalog number of SD 7263. I know it's an original pressing becasue it has the 1841 Broadway address on the label, and the address was changed to 75 Rockefeller plaza in the same year this record was released (1973). So why does my copy of In The Wake of Poseidon (1970), which I am also pretty sure is also original, have a catalog number in the 8000 range?

For another example, I recently had copies of Led Zeppelin 2 and Led Zeppelin 4 (traded both to 3345). Both had the 1841 Broadway address. LZ 4 had a lower serial number (SD 7XXX) than LZ 2 did (SD 8XXX). I originally assumed the LZ 2 was a reissue, but now I believe the 8000 range number was the original number.

This leads to another question. All of the reissues I have from 1975 or later (with the WB logo at the bottom of the label) have cat numbers like SD 19XXX. This would seem to indicate that a 19000 cat number indicates a reissue, but original issues of LPs I have from the same time period seem to have 19XXX numbers too.

And think about this... Where are all the numbers between about 9000 and 18000? I don't have any.

What's it all mean? Does anybody know anything about Atlantic's numbering scheme?

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Post by dagwood.bumstead » Mon Sep 26, 2005 2:56 pm

Metrognome,
I've noticed the same thing, and from what I can gather from my collection it looks like Atlantic used 4 different series of numbers from the 50s thru the 70s. I haven't found much online or in my guides, but here's my best guess, just based on my collection:

1000 series:
My earliest Atlantic record is a Bobby Short record from 1956, Atlantic 1230. I've got a handful of albums between that and the mid-1300s, up to Ray Charles' The Genius After Hours from 1961, Atlantic 1369. Then Roberta Flack's first two records are in the 1500s, from the early '70s... I can't explain that.

8000 series:
In the late 50s it looks like Atlantic started another series that ran simultaneously with the 12-1300s, and I don't know why. I've got a Chris Connor record with the cat# 8014 from 1957, and there's a Ray Charles record in my guide from the same year, Atlantic 8006. For some reason there's a gap in my collection of Atlantic from 1957 to 67, but then it picks up with a Carmen McRae record, cat# 8143. After that all the records in the 8000s begin with the prefix SD, and the highest number in the 8000s is 8296, a John Prine record from 1971.

7200 series:
It looks like at the start of 1972 they began a 7200 series, starting with CSNY's Deja Vu (SD 7200). The last record I have in the 7000's is an Average White Band record from 1974, SD 7308.

18-19000 series:
My collection peters out a little bit around this time but it looks like they started the 18000 series in 1974, and then switched to the 19000s a few years later. I notice that almost all of Emerson Lake & Palmer's records from the late 70s are in the 19000 series and aren't listed in my guides with different numbers so I don't think the 19000s are all reissues necessarily... maybe they just started giving reissues new label numbers mixed right in with the new stuff they were putting out.

Anyway like I said these are just my impressions based on my own collection... Hope it helps though - I like this kind of stuff!
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Post by fromphilly1247 » Mon Sep 26, 2005 2:58 pm

The 8000 series was used for all non-jazz titles up through 1970. The 7200 series was introduced in 1970 (CSNY Deja Vu) and was priced $1 higher thatn the 8200 series. The 7200 series became the home for bigger selling artists like Zeppelin, CSNY and all solo-related titles. The 82/83 series was used up until about 1972. In 1974, the company went to a 5 digit system, the 181-- series. The 191-- series appeared in 1977 and was used for all new releases and reissues of top performing catalog product.

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Re: RE: US Atlantic catalog numbers

Post by fromphilly1247 » Mon Sep 26, 2005 3:14 pm

dagwood.bumstead wrote: 8000 series:
In the late 50s it looks like Atlantic started another series that ran simultaneously with the 12-1300s, and I don't know why. I've got a Chris Connor record with the cat# 8014 from 1957, and there's a Ray Charles record in my guide from the same year, Atlantic 8006. For some reason there's a gap in my collection of Atlantic from 1957 to 67, but then it picks up with a Carmen McRae record, cat# 8143. After that all the records in the 8000s begin with the prefix SD, and the highest number in the 8000s is 8296, a John Prine record from 1971.DB

Actually, Mott The Hoople's Brain Capers lp has a number of 8304 and I believe there's a Wilson Pickett lp that has a number of 8305. Both from 72.

The 19--- series started in 77 was used for all new releases and reissues of top catalog titles (Led Zeppelin, Yes, ELP, CSNY)

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Re: RE: US Atlantic catalog numbers

Post by fromphilly1247 » Mon Sep 26, 2005 3:19 pm

dagwood.bumstead wrote:Metrognome,
I've noticed the same thing, and from what I can gather from my collection it looks like Atlantic used 4 different series of numbers from the 50s thru the 70s. I haven't found much online or in my guides, but here's my best guess, just based on my collection:

1000 series:
My earliest Atlantic record is a Bobby Short record from 1956, Atlantic 1230. I've got a handful of albums between that and the mid-1300s, up to Ray Charles' The Genius After Hours from 1961, Atlantic 1369. Then Roberta Flack's first two records are in the 1500s, from the early '70s... I can't explain that.

8000 series:
In the late 50s it looks like Atlantic started another series that ran simultaneously with the 12-1300s, and I don't know why. I've got a Chris Connor record with the cat# 8014 from 1957, and there's a Ray Charles record in my guide from the same year, Atlantic 8006.

The 12-1300 series was meant specifically for jazz, and jazz related vocalists--anything that didn't fit into the R'N'B or rock categories.

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Post by metrognome » Mon Sep 26, 2005 3:38 pm

Awesome guys! I am surprised anyone was actually to sort this stuff out for me. I need to print this stuff out for quick reference. What a wacky way of numbering releases!

Ok, let me throw another one at you: Has anyone noticed that these Atlantic releases see to have a separate number that transcends the catalog numbers we have been discussing?

Check out the label shot on my failed auction of Led Zeppelin 2. http://tinyurl.com/8egvh

See the number a the bottom, (691671) I just realized last night that this number appears to stay with the record regardless of reissue, and the first two digits indicate year of issue pretty closely. An exception would Fragile by Yes, which has a number that starts with 71, but the publication late 71, hence the 71 number.

Anybody know anything else significant about this number?

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Post by metrognome » Mon Sep 26, 2005 3:39 pm

How do you know all this anyway, Philly?

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Post by fromphilly1247 » Mon Sep 26, 2005 3:41 pm

metrognome wrote:See the number a the bottom, (691671) I just realized last night that this number appears to stay with the record regardless of reissue, and the first two digits indicate year of issue pretty closely. An exception would Fragile by Yes, which has a number that starts with 71, but the publication late 71, hence the 71 number.

Anybody know anything else significant about this number?
It's the matrix number.

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RE: Re: RE: US Atlantic catalog numbers

Post by dagwood.bumstead » Mon Sep 26, 2005 3:43 pm

fromphilly,
About the end of the 82-8300s, I only meant the highest number "in my collection" was that Prine record. Thanks for clearing up the overlap between the 1200-1300 and early 8000 series - I couldn't figure out what the rationale was.
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RE: Re: RE: US Atlantic catalog numbers

Post by metrognome » Mon Sep 26, 2005 3:45 pm

It's the matrix number.
Right. It appears in the dead wax. But why have two different numbers for the same record? Other labels just use one number.

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